So formerly, the king was controlled by saintly persons, by priestly order. They would give the king advice. The Vedic society is divided into four classes of men. It is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gétä, cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù [Bg. 4.13]. According to quality and work, there are four divisions of men: The brähmaëa, the intelligent class of men; the kñatriyas, the administrative class of men, the martial class of men; and the vaiçyas, the productive class of men; and the çüdras, the worker class of men. That is still existing in a different name, but the difficulty is, the classification is not made according to quality and work. That was the actual position of classification. Nowadays, a çüdra is on the government. A person who is a nonsense number one, he has no knowledge, he is on the head of the government. The things have been topsy-turvied. A person on religious category, he’s advocating something, oh, it is not to be uttered. Homosex. You see? He’s advocating homosex. Just see. These has been topsy-turvied. The four classes of men are there, still. But the third-class, fourth-class man is taking the place of first class. And the first-class man is kicked out, “Go out. Don’t talk of God.” This is the position at the present moment. The classes are there. That is natural. There must be some first-class men, there must be some second-class men, there must be some third-class men, there must be some fourth-class men. But the difficulty is that the fourth-class man is taking the position of first-class man, and the first-class man is being kicked out. Therefore there are so many problems in the society. Guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù. First-class man must be acting first class. But he’s acting as last class, but he is posed in first class. Things have been topsy-turvied. So it is the duty of the government to find out the first-class man and employ him for first-class business, first-class activities. And what is that first-class activity? The first-class activity is athäto brahma jijïäsä. That is first-class activity. Otherwise, it is fourth-class activity. If the human society is not divided into right order, cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù [Bg. 4.13]. And it is the duty of the government to see that the first-class man is employed in first-class activities, the second-class man is engaged in second-class activities. Then the government will be nice. Now here, the Vena Mahäräja, he’s on the head of the administration, royal king. Now he is advising, “Reject religion. No more charity, no more sacrifice, no more worship. Stop all this nonsense.” Then what is the condition of the society? So that is being done.
So it will take some time to explain about these activities of first-class, second-class, third-class men. It is a great science. So we shall try to explain, one after another. You please come on Sunday. I shall hold this class. For the time being, excuse me.
Thank you very much. Hare Kåñëa. (end)
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 21st May 1972. Sunday Feast talk. Los Angeles, CA.)

Prabhupäda: Then he has to define what is morality.
Çyämasundara: Yes.
Prabhupäda: Everyone says, “It is my morality.” Everyone can manufacture (indistinct). Just like, for example in India if somebody talks of homosex (indistinct) immoral, and here it is going on. (indistinct). So what is morality? (indistinct).
Çyämasundara: He uses the categorical imperative that Kant set up, the different categories of goodness and badness.
Prabhupäda: That means if you are in the modes of goodness, your morality is different from the morality of the man who is in the modes of ignorance.
Çyämasundara: But he says that everything should be understood in terms of what it ought to be, that there is an absolute good.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Discussions with Syamasundara dasa.)

If actually there was religion in the human society, why there are so many problems? There should not have been so many problems. The problems are in the animal society. Why there should be problem in human society? Because they have given up the real principles. They are simply animals. Therefore there are so many problems. Actually there is no problem. Even they are not animal. Less than animal. In animal society there is no problem. There is problem, but not so acute. They are free. Just like the ducks, the pigeons, they fly from one country to another. They have no problem of immigration department, passport, or visa. They have no problem. These rascals should understand that they have created problem on account of their animalistic, less than animalistic civilization. There is no limit of sense gratification. The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see. At least, in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the priest, the religious heads. You know that?
Prabhupäda: Just see. If you say that they are animal civilization, that is a great credit for them. It is less than animal civilization. Write all this in papers and everything, all openly. Challenge strongly. First of all, realize, then challenge. [break] Dharmeëa hénäù paçubhiù samänäù. That is the special distinction, that their life, human life must be based on dharma, religion. They have rejected dharma. That is another type of frustration because the so-called leaders of religion, they could not give anything. They also exploited people under religious sentiment. Actually they could not make people religious. They did not know what is religion. And therefore people become, revolted: “What is this nonsense? They are living at our expenditure.” We are real religious people. We are enlightening people about religion, life, about God. And these people they simply take money and live peacefully. And drink also. Here they drink wine. In India they drink gäïjä. You have been Rädhä-Dämodara temple? You have seen that Gosäi?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 25th August 1971. Room Conversation, London.)

Prabhupäda: Yes, he has this book department. Book department and… They may move according to convenience, Bali-mardana and Karandhara. He has got also very responsibility, with this department, that department. He has to purchase small houses. So big brain (indistinct). So similarly, you also think on the books. Everyone take big responsibility. Then we have to serve this mission. The people are foolish, they have forgotten God. We are delivering them. Best service. And without God, it is all useless, zero, all this civilization. Zero. Whatever they are making advancement, it is all zero. And nonsense. But actually it is. Now the priestly order supporting homosex. I was surprised. They are going to pass resolution for getting married between man to man. The human society has come down to such a degraded position. It is astonishing. When I heard from Kértanänanda Mahäräja there is a big conference for passing this resolution. In India still, if there somebody hears about homosex (makes sound of breathing out). Homosex is there but nobody will support publicly. (indistinct) People are going down and this is the subject matter for priestly order? It may be subject matter for the legislator, priestly order, they are discussing for one week. Just imagine. Phalena paricéyate, one has to study by the result. Not that superficially you show that “We are very much advanced.” Phalena, what is the result? Phalena paricéyate, your, that is in English word also, end justifies the means. The end is this (indistinct) “We are going to support homosex.” Getting married. There are many cases the priestly order has actually got married. I read it in that paper, Watch, what is called?
Devotees: Watchtower.
Prabhupäda: Watchtower. They have complained(?). So we have nothing to (indistinct) them. The world is degrading to the lowest status, even less than animal. The animal also do not support homosex. They have never sex life between male to male. They are less than animal. People are becoming less than animal. This is all due to godlessness. Haräv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guëä [SB 5.18.12], godless civilization cannot have any good qualities. Haräv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guëä mano rathena asato dhävato… They simply go to the untruth by mental speculation. (end)
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 25th May 1972. Conversation with GBC. Los Angeles, CA)

Jayatértha: In the last six years in the Catholic church, 25,000 priests have left and taken up…
Prabhupäda: 25,000?
Jayatértha: 25,000 in six years.
Prabhupäda: What is that?
Jayatértha: Have left the Catholic church, priests.
Prabhupäda: Left.
Jayatértha: Ordained priests, they have left and gone off to marry or whatever.
Especially they are concerned that they can’t marry. Catholic priests are not allowed to marry.
Prabhupäda: Marrying? They are marrying man to man ,what to speak of marrying. Sodomy.
Jayatértha: So that’s the alternative. Either they’re leaving or they’re marrying man to man.
Prabhupäda: Homosex. They are supporting homosex. So degraded, and still they say, “What we have done?” They do not know what is degradation, and they are priest. They are teaching others. They do not know what is the meaning of degradation.
Svarüpa Dämodara: So if the leader is degraded, how can the followers…
Prabhupäda: Similarly, scientists, they do not know what is imperfection, and they are scientists.
Devotee (2):  The thing about the blind leading the blind.
Prabhupäda: This is going on.
Jayatértha: Also, they aren’t able to attract any new priests. In their seminaries, the enrollment has gone down to ten to fifteen percent of what it was previously.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Jayatértha: The enrollment has gone down to ten to fifteen percent of what it was previously.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Jayatértha: They can’t get anyone to come and join their seminaries because they aren’t teaching anything, just (indistinct).
Prabhupäda: What they will teach, what do they know? First of all you must know, then you will teach. You are rascal, what you will teach? That is another cheating. He does not know anything, he is a teacher. People want it. Just like these rascals are advertising, these gurus, they say “You haven’t got to chant. You simply come to Guru Mahäräja.” That means these people, because we have got so many restrictions, he has to chant, he has to follow, they think it is botheration. So that means immediately they want to be cheated. Therefore, another cheater is welcomed. They want to be cheated, so when a cheater comes, he is welcomed, “Oh, you are very nice. You are so simple, and this Swamiji is so strict.” So they want to be cheated. Therefore God sends a cheater: “Go and cheat them.”
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 28th Septmeber 1972. Morning Walk conversation. Los Angeles.)

Yaçomaténandana: It’s better sometimes to approach a person with no religion, Prabhupäda, than to approach a Christian.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Yaçomaténandana: These Christians are very blasphemous.
Prajäpati: Very blasphemous.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Karandhara: Party spirit.
Prabhupäda: No no, what is their value? When they are sanctioning abortion, homosex, now they are finished. They have no value.
Karandhara: Well, most or a greater proportion of the traditional Christians condemn homosex and abortion. A good quantity of the traditional Christians, they condemn abortion and homosex.
Prabhupäda: Yes, they are good, but mostly, as you were telling me that, that Pope is disgusted... Yes. Nobody cares for the Bible or the Pope. That is everywhere, not only Christian. Actually there is no religion at the present moment. All animals. We don’t blame only the Christians. The Hindus, Muslim, everyone. They have lost all religion.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 8th December 1973. Morning Walk, Los Angeles.)

Prabhupäda: Yes. This is their philosophy. And as they pass laws in the Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: “Yes, homosex is all right.” Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You’ll find in Calcutta, in College Street, so many butcher house. And they have kept one goddess Kälé that “We are eating Mother Kali’s prasäda.” That’s it. This is going on.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 2nd April 1975. Morning Walk, Mayapura.)

Prabhupäda: Now they are indulging homosex, how they will become strong? And the students, they are discussing, that means they are having. The stamina is being lost. Now what they have created, it will be lost.
Amogha: They all seem to think that spiritual life is something to think about, something...
Prabhupäda: Not very important.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 9th May 1975. Morning Walk. Perth, Australia.)

According to our free will, we are associating with certain type of the modes of material nature, and then we become subjected to that material modes. The same example: you infect some disease, contamination, and you gain the result of it. So our endeavor should be how to raise ourself to the first, to the sattva-guëa. That we can do. And then transcend sattva-guëa and reach the spiritual platform. Everyone is trying to improve his position, but they do not know what is meant by improvement. Improvement means mostly they are in tamo-guëa, ignorance. So rise from tamo-guëa to rajo-guëa, rajo-guëa to sattva-guëa, and then sattva-guëa to transcendence. That is improvement. So generally, people are suffering on account of association with tamo-guëa and rajo-guëa, whole material world, mostly tamo-guëa and few of them in rajo-guëa. The symptoms of rajo-guëa and tamo-guëa are lust and greediness. Just like yesterday you told me the students are talking about homosex. That means tamo-guëa, that the education—students, they are discussing about homosex. That means tamo-guëa, lusty desires, very prominent, and how to fulfill, by homosex or sex with woman. This is their subject matter, käma. So everyone in this material world infected with this tamo-guëa, all lusty desires, in various ways, varieties. And some of them in rajo-guëa—politics and improvement of material condition. So we have to cut down this tamo-guëa and rajo-guëa, come to the sattva-guëa. Then he’ll not be disturbed by these lusty desires and greediness. Then he’ll be happy. Sthita-sattve prasédati. When he comes to the sattva-guëa, now he has to make further progress, sattva-guëa. And the progress means, being situated in sattva-guëa if he advances in devotional service, Kåñëa consciousness, then he surpasses all the material qualities. That is perfection of life.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 11th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Why you should interpret upon Kåñëa’s word? If you have got your own philosophy, you write another book. Why do you touch Bhagavad-gétä? This is their cheating. Bhagavad-gétä is a popular book. Gandhi also took Bhagavad-gétä for his political diplomacy. This is going on. And they’ll never agree to accept Bhagavad-gétä as it is. They’ll never agree. The other day I was there in Kurukñetra. They have got their own plan—mänava-dharma, this dharma, that dharma. Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän parityajya: [Bg. 18.66] “You give up all these. Kick out all this so-called rascaldom. You just surrender unto Me.” That they will not do. Except this, everything which is going on in the name of religion, that is cheating. Everyone is misinterpret... Just like Christians, they have misinterpreted: “Kill means murder. It is meant for man.” That means they are making their own lusty desires fulfilled in the name of Bible, that’s all. Everyone is doing like that. They are changing. Mass opinion is now homosex. They are passing abortion. They are passing... What is this? This is their business. For fulfillment of their lusty desires and greediness, they are bringing the authority of Bible, Bhagavad-gétä. This is going on in the name of religion.
Devotee (1): They swear on the Bible in the court. And I was reading in the paper the other day that now in England they have passed a law whereby a man cannot be convicted of rape if he honestly believes that the woman consented to be raped.
Prabhupäda: Eh? What is that? Woman?
Devotee (1): They said that the man cannot be convicted of rape if he honestly believes that the woman consented to his raping her.
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is law always. Rape means without consent, sex. Otherwise there is no rape. There was a rape case in Calcutta, and the lawyer was very intelligent. He some way or other made the woman admit, “Yes, I felt happiness.” So he was released. “Here is consent.” And that’s a fact. Because after all, sex, rape or no rape, they will feel some pleasure. So the lawyer by hook and crook made the woman agree, “Yes, I felt some pleasure.” “Now, there is consent.” So he was released. After all, it is an itching sensation. So either by force or by willingly, if there is itching, everyone feels relieved itching it. That’s a psychology. It is not that the woman do not like rape. They like sometimes. They willingly. That is the psychology. Outwardly they show some displeasure, but inwardly they do not. This is the psychology.
Devotee (1): So what this law means is that anybody can rape anybody.
Prabhupäda: There is no law; it is all lusty desire. All law or no law, these are all nonsense. The çästra has... It is lusty desire, that’s all. Everyone wants to fulfill a lusty desires. So unless one is not in the modes of goodness or transcendental, everyone will like. That is the material world, rajas-tamaù. Rajas-tamo-bhävaù käma-lobhadayaç ca ye [SB 1.2.19]. It is all discussed in the çästra. Just like I am hungry man. There is foodstuff. I want to eat it. So if I take by force, that is illegal, and if I pay for it, then it is legal. But I am the hungry man, I want it. This is going on. Everyone is lusty. Therefore they say “legalized prostitution.” They want it. So marriage is something legalized, that’s all.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  11th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Prabhupäda: Oh, seagull. They are doing the same business, and after his much advancement of civilization, he is doing the same business. The tiger is also eating flesh and blood, and human being—a scientific slaughterhouse. The same business, but they have got scientific instrument how to cut the throat quickly. This is the advance, advancement of civilization. The dog and cat they are having sex on the open street, and now they are talking of homosex in the school, colleges for education. This is their position. They do not know even what is the standard of human civilization. If you are doing the same business like ordinary animals, then where is the advancement of civilization?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  11th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Prabhupäda: Nescience, yes. That is pravåtti and nivåtti. Pravåtti means sense enjoyment. And nivåtti means self-negation. So when we say that “You shall not have illicit sex,” and their inclination is illicit sex, so therefore it is revolutionary. They are materialistic persons. They want sex enjoyment to the best capacity—homosex, this sex, that sex, naked dance, all sexually inclined, pravåtti. And we say, “Stop this,” nivåtti. They do not like it because äsura. Pravåtti jagat. They do not know this is essential. They do not know it. This is essential. Tapasä brahmacaryena [SB 6.1.13]. Tapasya means brahmacarya. The so-called swamis, they are coming for this so-called yoga practice and..., but they are themself victim of sex. This is going on. Actually, it is a bluff—they have become swami and teaching some yoga system—because they do not know that one has to stop this first of all. Brahmacaryena. So this bluffing is going on all over the world, and we are speaking just against them. Murkhayopadeço hi prakopäya na çäntaye. If you give instruction to the rascals, he will simply be angry. He will not take advantage of it. This is our position. All the so-called professors, philosophers, they are all in the pravåtti-märga. Therefore they are bringing somebody, “Our interpretation is like this.” Pravåtti-märga. Because if they can find out some support from the çästra, then they think, “We are secure.” This is going on. Pravåttim ca nivåttim janä na vidur äsuräù. The whole world is full of asuras, descendant of Hiraëyakaçipu, and it is very difficult. But if we give them chance to chant Hare Kåñëa mantra, gradually they will understand. (pause) Our difficulty: the so-called swamis, priests, popes, they are also in the pravåtti-märga. All these, priests, and they have illicit sex. Pravåtti-märga. So they are passing, “Yes, you can have homosex with man.” They are getting man-to-man marriage. You know? They are performing the marriage ceremony between man to man in the open church. What class of men they are? And they are priest. Just see. Such degraded persons, drinking... They have got hospital for curing their drinking disease. Five thousand patients in a hospital in America, all drunkards, and they are priest. Just see. Simply by dressing long, what is called, overcoat?
Çrutakérti: Cloak.
Amogha: Habit?
Prabhupäda: Cloak and cross, they have become. In India also, simply having a thread, a brähmaëa. Two-paisa thread. That’s all.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  13th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Paramahaàsa: They also have that “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Prabhupäda: Yes. And they are very expert in doing that. That is advanced civilization. Now they are marrying man to man and accepting homosex, so what is the value now of this priestly class?
Paramahaàsa: They have another thing now where they, a man goes to the doctor and has an operation to change his sex from man to woman.
Prabhupäda: Sex. Yes.
Paramahaàsa: Or from woman to man. That’s called transvestites.
Prabhupäda: That is going on?
Paramahaàsa: Yes.
Prabhupäda: Successful?
Paramahaàsa: Yes, sometimes. Sometimes they have some difficulties, but they have had many successful operations. [break] She can’t have... It can’t have a baby. (laughs)
Prabhupäda: They are doing?
Paramahaàsa: Well, they’re changing, but they can’t become pregnant. That’s the only thing. They take these special hormones, and then they can grow breasts and everything just like a woman. But they can’t become pregnant.
Amogha: In the newspaper there was an article about two weeks ago about a Christian church in America where they have a naked dancer come.
Prabhupäda: Hmm?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  13th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Amogha: With all the universities and high-class schools they’re simply producing...
Prabhupäda: Fourth-class men.
Amogha: Yeah.
Prabhupäda: They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement of education. Just see. They are not even fourth-class men; they are animals, producing so many animals, that’s all, dogs and hogs. [break] ...in the beginning çamaù. Çamaù, damaù—first two business. Control the sense and keep the mind undisturbed. That is the beginning. Now they are so much sexually disturbed, they’re discussing about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class men?
Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of things because...
Prabhupäda: Yes, fourth-class man can say anything wrong, bad, but we are not going to hear of it. A fourth-class man’s philosophy, we will have to waste our time to hear them—that’s not good. They are not even fourth class; they are animal class. Fourth class has got some position, but they are narädhama, the lowest of the mankind. So what is their philosophy, and who is going to spoil his time to hear about their philosophy? [break]
Paramahaàsa: In that verse it says, jïänaà vijïänam ästikyam. What is the difference between jïänam and vijïänam?
Prabhupäda: Jïänam means theoretical, vijïänam means practical.
Devotee (1): Saìkértana movement is vijïänam.
Prabhupäda: Yes. (pause) [break] He is in goodness but sometimes he is attacked by the other two base qualities, passion and ignorance. Then he falls down. Where there is chance of being contaminated, that is not pure goodness. Pure goodness is never contaminated. That is (unclear).
Amogha: So pure goodness actually means those eight qualities mentioned in the Gétä but without any contamination of the lower qualities.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  14th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Prabhupäda: They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement of education. Just see. They are not even fourth-class men; they are animals, producing so many animals, that’s all, dogs and hogs. [break] ...in the beginning çamaù. Çamaù, damaù—first two business. Control the sense and keep the mind undisturbed. That is the beginning. Now they are so much sexually disturbed, they’re discussing about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class men?
Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of things because...
Prabhupäda: Yes, fourth-class man can say anything wrong, bad, but we are not going to hear of it. A fourth-class man’s philosophy, we will have to waste our time to hear them—that’s not good. They are not even fourth class; they are animal class. Fourth class has got some position, but they are narädhama, the lowest of the mankind. So what is their philosophy, and who is going to spoil his time to hear about their philosophy? [break]
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  14th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Prabhupäda: Hm. The world is full of rascals and fourth-class men. That is our verdict, Kåñëa’s verdict. A human being does not know God, he’s no better than dog. He is dog. Who knows God? There are so many scientists, philosophers, now everywhere. And they are discussing on sex philosophy, homosex philosophy, Darwin’s theory. All third class, fourth class, they are controlling. Now they are gradually coming to chaotic condition, and their problems, engage so many big, big officials how to solve. Oh, why you created problem, first of all? You third-class, fourth-class men, you have created problem, and now we are trying to make solution—another problem. And because you are the same fourth-class men, how you can make a solution? You have created the problems. The man who creates problems, can he make solution? So you are the same fourth-class man, how you can make a solution? Bring first-class man. But there are no first-class men. All rogues and rascals. Things are becoming bad to worse, and still they’ll claim, “We are first class.”
Amogha: They are all rascals, so the best rascal they say he is first-class. First-class rascal.
Prabhupäda: That I was explaining, big animal and small animal. Cats and dogs praising one lion.
Amogha: Hm.
Prabhupäda: A lion is also an animal. But they are thinking, “Oh, one lion.” But we are thinking that it is also animal. The cats and dogs, they are thinking, “Oh, lion is so big, so powerful.” But human being is thinking this is also an animal, big animal. Is it not? (laughs) Tell them. Cats and dogs may praise some another animal, tiger and... But are the tigers other than animal? He is also animal.
Devotee: Hare Kåñëa. [break]
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  18th May 1975. Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)

Prabhupäda: That means they are gliding down towards hell, that’s all. Yoñitäà saìgi-saìgam. Now they are coming to the platform of homosex. This is their advancement, spiritual advancement. Yoñitäà saìgi-saìgam. This is Coca-cola, everywhere. [break] ... mukti, liberation, and the word salvation is the same? Then what is the meaning of salvation?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.  21st May 1975. Morning Walk, Melbourne, Aus.)

Prabhupäda: No. There is no question of high percentage. I said that even a small percentage, there must be some ideal men. At least people will see that here is the ideal man. Just like we are having. Because they are chanting and dancing, many outsiders are coming and they are also learning, they are also offering obeisances. And gradually they are offering their service: “Please accept me.” The example is better than precept. If you have an ideal group of men, then people will automatically learn. That is wanted. But don’t mind, I don’t find any ideal group of men. Even in the priests they are going to hospital for their drinking habit. I saw in sometimes before in a hospital, five thousand patients, alcoholic patients, priest. Priest should be ideal character. And they are advocating homosex. So where is the ideal character men? If the priestly class they are going to hospital for drinking habit, and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?
Director: But homosexual is a sickness.
Devotee: He said it’s an illness.
Director: It’s an illness. It’s just like a person can’t see, you would punish him for not seeing. You can’t punish a person for being homosexual. That our society says.
Prabhupäda: Well, anyway, the priestly class, sanctioning homosex.
Director: Pardon?
Prabhupäda: Sanctioning. They are allowing homosex. And there was report that man and man was married by the priest. In New York there is a paper, Watchtower. That is a Christian paper. I have seen in that paper. They are condemning it, that priest is allowing man-to-man marriage. And they are passing resolution, homosex is passed, “All right.” And in Perth you said that the students are discussing about homosex, in favor of homosex. So where is the ideal character? If you want something tangible business, train some people to become ideal character. That is this Kåñëa consciousness movement.
Director: What you people say what ideal to you is not ideal to somebody else?
Prabhupäda: I am giving the example ideal character.
Director: Yeah, but that’s one opinion.
Prabhupäda: No. It will not depend on opinion. Opinion... What is the value of opinion if the people are all asses? There is no opinion. One should take as it is enjoined in the çästra. No opinion. What is the use of taking opinion of an ass? So the people are trained up just like dogs and asses, then what is the use of their opinion? If you are to enforce, you must do like this. Just like when we introduced this “No illicit sex.” I never cared for their opinion. The opinion... immediately there will be discussion. And what is the use of taking their opinion? It must be done. That is the defect of Western civilization. Vox populi, taking opinion of the public. But what is the value of this public? Drunkards, smokers, meat-eaters, woman-hunters. What is the... they are not first-class men. So what is the use of such third-class, fourth-class men’s opinion? We do not advocate such opinion. What Kåñëa said, that is standard, that’s all. Kåñëa is the Supreme, and His version is final.
No opinion, no democracy. When you go to a physician, doctor, for treatment, the physician does not place his prescription for opinion of other patients: “Now I am prescribing this medicine for this gentleman, now give me your opinion.” Does he do that? The all patients, what they will think? The physician is the perfect person. Whatever he has written prescription, that’s all. But here in the Western... everything, public opinion. What is the use of such opinion?
Director: You don’t think the patients have any mind of their own?
Prabhupäda: They have mind, but that is deprecated mind. Just like madman, he has got his mind, but what is the value of that mind? You are not going to take opinion of a madman. He has his mind, but he is a madman. Müòha. Mäyayäpahåta-jïäna. His knowledge has been taken away. The mind being, what is called, in disordered condition, there is no value of his opinion.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Discussion with Director of Research of Dept. Social Welfare.  21st May 1975. Morning Walk, Melbourne, Aus.)

Prabhupäda: No, the Christian churches, all the priests, they eat meat. They’re supporting everything, homosex, everything, man to man marriage.
Bali-mardana: Now they are making women the priests.
Prabhupäda: Women priest. Women priest, there was none before?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 28th May 1975. Morning Walk, Honolulu, HI.)

Bahuläçva: In California they have passed a law that homosexuality is legal. So the psychologists say that they see the dogs and the hogs and monkeys having homosex relationships, so on that grounds, they say, it should be legal.
Prabhupäda: They have got homosex? Dogs, hogs, I don’t think.
Bahuläçva: Yeah, dogs, they say. We were preaching in this one convention that the dogs are also fighting. So therefore fighting and murder should be legal too because the dogs do that also.
Brahmänanda: Their argument was because the dogs have homosex, therefore the man should have...?
Bahuläçva: Should have homosex.
Dharmädhyakña: Yes, if an animal does it, then a human being should have the same right to do it also.
Jayatértha: Then they can pass stool in the street also?
Prabhupäda: Then what is the difference between man and animal? They do not find any difference?
Bahuläçva: No.
Prabhupäda: Then why they find difference in having soul?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 16th July 1975. Morning Walk, San Francisco. CA.)

Prabhupäda: No. Para-däreñu. Mätravat para-dareñu. That is the injunction of the çäs... Other’s wife. Not that “Oh, my wife is also my mother.” Just see. This lunacy is going on, and this lunatic man is taken as incarnation of God. This is going on. This homosex propaganda is another side of impotency. So that is natural. If you enjoy too much, then you become impotent.
Brahmänanda: They are trying to make that more and more accepted in America, homosex.
Prabhupäda: Yes. The churches accept. It is already law.
Nitäi: This women’s liberation movement, the leaders are also homosexual. They’re lesbians.
Prabhupäda: (laughs) Just see. Hare Kåñëa. The whole world is on the verge of ruination. Kali-yuga. [break]
Brahmänanda: ...become ruined. The world is on the verge of ruination, but it doesn’t become ruined; so therefore they think, “Oh, it doesn’t matter. We can go on.”
Prabhupäda: They do not know what is the meaning of ruination. [break] ...so many problems. Still it is not on the verge of ruination?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 6th September 1975. Morning Walk, Vrindavana.)

Harikeça: Viçäkhä was preaching to her. She said that “Actually we are less intelligent.” (laughter) That started a big scandal...
Prabhupäda: Yes. And that is Kåñëa consciousness. [break] They are in equal right, then... Nowadays, of course, they are thinking like that, that man should remain independent, and they’ll have homosex, and the woman also independent and they will make some... This is most immoral things.
Indian man: If only people think that they have equal right...
Prabhupäda: Where is equal right? Even in Russia there is no equal rights. They have created some of them are managers, and some of them are workers. Why? If equal rights, then everyone should be manager.
Harikeça: Well, in America they have women senators now.
Prabhupäda: Huh?
Harikeça: Women senators, women are in charge of companies sometimes.
Indian man: No, in India there are two women. They are high commissioners of India to the foreign countries.
Prabhupäda: No, that is possible. That it requires education. That is another... By nature the woman’s body is different from man’s.
Indian man: Women are subordinate.
Prabhupäda: Not subordinate actually. The occupations are different. It does not mean... That is another mistake. Just like the leg is walking, and the head is directing, so although the occupation is different, both of them are important. We require the head and leg also. If simply head is there, if there is no leg, then who’ll walk? This is the understanding, not equal. Everyone must have his separate duties to serve the whole. That is the arrangement. This is real understanding. The most important part of the body is head, but that does not mean the leg is not important. Leg is important in its work, and head is important in its work. So we require both, head and tail both, not that simply leg or simply head. But when we make comparative study, we can understand that head is more important than the leg. If you cut your leg, you can live, but if you cut your head, you’ll die. Therefore the conclusion is: head is more important than the leg. Comparative study. Otherwise head is also required and leg is also required. You collect some flowers, nice flowers, and, add with it some green foliage, it becomes more beautiful. Simply flower is not so beautiful. When it is arrayed with some green foliage, then it becomes more beautiful. So we have to take in that sense. But comparatively, the flower is more important than the foliage. But the both of them are required.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 10th December 1975. Morning Walk, Vrindavana.)

Prabhupäda: That they are doing. Still they are doing. Just like you said, some sprinkling water. They have no philosophy and they violate everything, what is stated there in Bible. Now you say that “Thou shall not kill;” they say, “Thou shall not murder.” They are molding. Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. They are sanctioning abortion.
Acyutänanda: Yes. Two homosexuals were married by a priest.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Now they have a church where the priests are homosexuals and the attending people are homosexual.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Now they have churches for homosex. That means the priest is a homosexual, and the persons who come are homosexuals. A special church for homosexuals.
Prabhupäda: Just see. Is that religion?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 8th January 1976. Room Conversation, Nellore, India)

Prabhupäda: It is not their fault. The Western civilization is like that. Now you have to make a thorough change. The persons from the ecclesiastical order, they are also so polluted, they are sanctioning homosex, abortion. What can be done for the common man?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 8th April 1976. Morning Walk, Mayapura, India)

Prabhupäda: Just see. Rascal priests also so sinful. Yes, they’re supporting homosex. So when the priests are sinful, the public is sinful, how the church will go on? Churches, they are expecting church must support abortion and child killing.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Oh, yes, it is progressive. They feel that is the progressive way to think.
Rämeçvara: And the church should not interfere with their.... That is their decision.
Tamäla Kåñëa: It is personal life.
Prabhupäda: This is the rascal.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 6th June 1976. Morning Walk, Los Angeles.)

Prabhupäda: .... association, everything is bad(?). So degraded condition, there is no good association. Therefore I say that we require a first-class man section. A first-class.... All third class, fourth class. Even the so-called priests, they are also fourth-class, fifth-class men. Indulging in homosex.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 17th June 1976. Morning Walk, Toronto, Canada.)

Prabhupäda: No, no. He was made chief. Guru Mahäräja did not make him chief. But after his passing away, some of our Godbrothers voted him chief.
Puñöa Kåñëa: Am I mis...? You had told me once, I’m not certain. Maybe I made a mistake. You said that Väsudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Puñöa Kåñëa: Väsudeva.
Prabhupäda: He was homosex and sex, everything.
Puñöa Kåñëa: Here, Çréla Prabhupäda, in this city.... I haven’t been back in so many years to America. Things have become more degraded. I’m watching women and women walking arm around each other. And I asked, “What is this?” “Oh,” he says “they are lesbians.” Women together, girlfriends. They don’t mix with men.
Prabhupäda: This is now very much prevalent in America.
Puñöa Kåñëa: No higher consciousness.
Prabhupäda: I had one disciple, she was for that purpose (?), yes.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 18th June 1976. Room Conversation, Toronto, Canada.)

Tamäla Kåñëa: The priests are doing all rascal nonsense. Homosex.
Prabhupäda: They announced that...(?) There is a hospital for drunkard priest.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Alcoholic priests.
Prabhupäda: And they have introduced gambling.
Tamäla Kåñëa: And homosex.
Prabhupäda: Homosex, what is that religion? And they’re passing to homosex, religion. They’re getting married man to man. Most degraded.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 16th February 1977. Morning Room Conversation, Mayapura.)

Prabhupäda: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 28th April 1977. Conversation: Vairaghya, Salaries, Political Etiquette. Bombay.)

Prabhupäda: The hippies are nothing but a group of madmen, that’s all. A madman, they..., means publicly sex, that’s all. This Allen Ginsberg’s movement is that, homosex, public sex. Ginsberg was very proud that he had introduced homosex. He was telling me.
Tamäla Kåñëa: He was telling you?
Prabhupäda: When he first came to me he was very proud: “I have introduced homosex.” He thought very brilliant work it was. And another man, what is that? He’s put into jail.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Timothy Leary.
Prabhupäda: Ha, ha. What is his position now?
Tamäla Kåñëa: I haven’t heard about him in the last few years. He’s in and out of jail, I think. I saw one time he was just getting out of jail. It just shows... I think he was a big professor at Harvard. So the idle mind, devil’s workshop. So he used his big brain for making this LSD. That’s the value of this Ph.D. degree.
Prabhupäda: He was Ph.D.?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Oh, yeah. Big personality. And because of the fact that he was an important member of the faculty at Harvard, so even though all he produced was an intoxicant, he gave it so much explanation, that “This is...”
Prabhupäda: Transcendental meditation.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 14th July 1977. Room Conversation on Varnashram. Vrindavan.)

Letter to: Lalitananda
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Hawaii
26 May, 1975
75-05-26

My Dear Lalitananda dasa,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated May 13rd, 1975 and have noted the contents. I am very sorry that you have taken to homosex. It will not help you advance in your attempt for spiritual life. In fact, it will only hamper your advancement. I do not know why you have taken to such abominable activities. What can I say? Anyway, try to render whatever service you can to Krishna. Even though you are in a very degraded condition Krishna, being pleased with your service attitude, can pick you up from your fallen state. You should stop this homosex immediately. It is illicit sex, otherwise, your chances of advancing in spiritual life are nil. Show Krishna you are serious, if you are.
I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

NOTE:
Lalitananda dasa died of AIDS September 1989 in Berkley after his homosexual partner contracted HIV.

pähi mäà paramätmaàs te
preñaëenäsåjaà prajäù
tä imä yabhituà päpä
upäkrämanti mäà prabho

SYNONYMS
pähi—protect; mäm—me; parama-ätman—O Supreme Lord; te—Your; preñaëena—by order; asåjam—I created; prajäù—living beings; täù imäù—those very persons; yabhitum—to have sex; päpäù—sinful beings; upäkrämanti—are approaching; mäm—me; prabho—O Lord.

TRANSLATION
Lord Brahmä, approaching the Lord, addressed Him thus: My Lord, please protect me from these sinful demons, who were created by me under Your order. They are infuriated by an appetite for sex and have come to attack me.

PURPORT
It appears here that the homosexual appetite of males for each other is created in this episode of the creation of the demons by Brahmä. In other words, the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane male in the ordinary course of life.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Srimad Bhagavatam 3:20:26 text and purport.)
 

Devotee (2): Then when (name witheld) said to me that he wanted to have homosexual affair with me, I should have said, “Okay. Whatever you say.” Is that correct?
Prabhupäda: So how to answer these questions?
Devotee (2): That is what he said to me. And he was a sannyäsa. He is sannyäsa and he said to me, “I want to have sex with you.” Does that mean that Kåñëa was saying I should have sex with him?
Jayatértha: So you have to see whether it is according to our principles.
Devotee (2): I’m asking you on a very practical... No. That is not what he said. He didn’t say that. He said absolutely, and this is...
Upendra: Then you should listen to everything he said.
Devotee (2): I am. Because if I can judge then, if I can say, “Oh, at this point he is wrong,” then that is what we are talking about, Çréla Prabhupäda. That is the issue. If they are absolutely right all the time and they can make no error, they wield absolute power over our lives.
Prabhupäda: Where is (name witheld)? Where is (he)?
Satsvarüpa: He is across the street.
Prabhupäda: Has he said like that?
Devotee (2): Yes. I have witnesses.
Upendra: But he’s admitted his error.
Devotee (2): That’s beside the point.
Revaténandana: That’s all right. But that’s not the point here.
Upendra: The point is that Prabhupäda, that if you come before Prabhupäda for your own spiritual advancement, then it doesn’t matter what other people are thinking...
Devotee (2): That’s not the...
Devotee (1): That’s not the crux of the matter at all.
Revaténandana: The point here is not to criticize (him).
Devotee (1): No. We did not come for that at all.
Revaténandana: That wasn’t the reason. The point is that anyone, (name witheld) or anybody else, he may be a sannyäsé, but if he’s doing all kinds of nonsense, how can we say that he has absolute authority? Because he was in charge of the place, etc., and he is also in an authoritative position, yet he breaks the principles.
Devotee (2): His personal servant, when he came... His name is (name witheld). (He) instigated a homosexual affair with him. This boy came to surrender to Kåñëa and surrendered to (him). But (he) told him to do that.
Upendra: But Prabhupäda...
Devotee (2): Wait. I am not speaking with you. He said he did that and he did it in the name of his authority as a sannyäsa. So if you say, Prabhupäda, that everything that they say is absolutely true, then they will have absolute power and can do anything that they want, and anything that they say and any opinion they express is taken to be the same as yours, then it becomes implied that you agree with and condone such things, because they do them with absolute license. And we don’t believe that to be true. So we think it is some kind of mistake.
Prabhupäda: They say like that?
Devotee (1): Everyone says like that.
Devotee (2): They do, Prabhupäda.
Satsvarüpa: No, they don’t. Çréla Prabhupäda has said these things don’t apply to you. Don’t worry about them because you are not following the principles.
Devotee (1): But they do say, and we are following and you don’t know what we’re doing, Satsvarüpa, because you haven’t known me for two years. So you really don’t know what I’m doing. You’re not around.
Satsvarüpa: But our society is going nicely. It’s not...
Devotee (2): In some respects it’s going fine. But these are problems which can be dealt with amongst us, and they are affecting all of us. And for some people these are problems though they may not be for you. I think, as far as I know, your conduct has always been very honorable. But for some people who it’s not and where these misconceptions apply, it’s a real problem and we’re trying to deal with it because it affects our lives.
Upendra: The strength to deal with those problems comes from following sädhanäcära.
Devotee (2): We are also attempting to follow sädhanäcära. And if we are imperfect...
Prabhupäda: Anyway, if he has said so, that is wrong.
Devotee (1): But is that then applying to everyone. Does someone who is in the adminis... (end)
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 26th June 1975. Room Conversation. LA)

Prabhupäda: That they are doing. Still they are doing. Just like you said, some sprinkling water. They have no philosophy and they violate everything, what is stated there in Bible. Now you say that “Thou shall not kill;” they say, “Thou shall not murder.” They are molding. Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. They are sanctioning abortion.
Acyutänanda: Yes. Two homosexuals were married by a priest.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Now they have a church where the priests are homosexuals and the attending people are homosexual.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Now they have churches for homosex. That means the priest is a homosexual, and the persons who come are homosexuals. A special church for homosexuals.
Prabhupäda: Just see. Is that religion?
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 8th January 1976, Room Conversation. Nellore, India.)

Rämeçvara: And I found an article in the Time magazine about another translator of Bhagavad-gétä, Christopher Isherwood.
Prabhupäda: He is rascal, another rascal.
Rämeçvara: They have reported that he is a homosexual.
Prabhupäda: Just see. Now, who cares for all these nonsense?
Rämeçvara: In regards to brainwashing, they claim that our life-style tends to take the devotee and isolate him from the world.
Prabhupäda: Yes. We hate to mix with you. No gentleman tries to mix with loafers. In England still, the rich quarter is different from the poor quarter. Is it not?
Hari-çauri: Not so much. It was though, formerly, very strongly.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Aristocratic will never live... Even in America, they don’t like to live with the blacks.
Rämeçvara: No.
Prabhupäda: (aside:) That child...? So that separation... Crows will not like to live with the ducks and white swans. And white swans will not like to live with the crows. That is natural division. “Birds of the same feather flock together.”
Jagadéça: And honest men don’t like to associate with thieves and criminals.
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is natural. We are not interested even with these daily newspapers. We are interested Bhagavad-gétä. We don’t keep any news. We know the dogs are barking. That’s all. But that does not mean we have to mix with the dogs.
Jagadéça: If you know that someone is committing criminal activities, then if you associate with them, you’ll also become implicated.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Saìgät saïjäyate kämaù.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 11th January 1977. Conversation on train to Allahabad, India.)

Amogha: They think that people who say there is Absolute Truth have not observed the other thoughts of other people, so they haven’t seen everything.
Prabhupäda: What is that other thought? We know everyone’s thought. We know everyone’s thought.
Amogha: In the university newspaper I was reading, all their discussion is about things like homosexuality is all right or not all right.
Prabhupäda: Äcchä? They are discussing?
Amogha: Yes. In the newspaper articles in the university. The homosexuals are campaigning for equal rights. And there is a big debate whether homosexuals are good or bad. All over the world there are homosexuals, and also they are arguing over Palestine and Israel. And sometimes (indistinct) In Melbourne there was fighting between people who support Israel and Palestine. All these arguments they have in the newspapers.
Paramahaàsa: Even in Los Angeles they have a group of homosexuals who used to get harassed by people all the time. So now they have become a military group, and they carry weapons. And if anybody harasses them, they shoot them. They’re called Militant Homosexuals.
Amogha: In one high school here they asked the question whether we accept homosexuality. And I said, “Of course not. This is only a perversion.” And they said, “This is nature’s way to stop overpopulation,” because there won’t be any children. So much foolish.
Prabhupäda: How degraded the human society is becoming. And the children, they are discussing.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 9th May 1975, Morning Walk, Perth, Australia)

Prabhupäda: So miserable condition... That is our conclusion, that either you remain this side or that side, it is miserable. By mental concoction you think that “This is better than that.” Therefore Kåñëa says frankly, sarva-dharmän parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. That is only shelter. Mäm upetya kaunteya duùkhälayam açäçvatam näpnuvanti [Bg. 8.15]. [break] ...take Kåñëa’s words as it is. Everything is there. He said, “This material world is duùkhälayam; it is the place of suffering.” Industrialist, businessman, anyone, even ordinary man, actually everyone is suffering, but everyone is thinking, “I am happy.” [break]
Brahmänanda: ...because there is some sex pleasure, that makes it tolerable.
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is the, what is called, topmost ignorance, topmost ignorance, that “This is happiness.” So the materialistic person means only for that happiness they are suffering so much, this way. They agree, “Yes.” Just like Dr., er, Bon Mahäräja was speaking that they are talking freely?
Brahmänanda: Oh, about homosexuality.
Prabhupäda: “Oh, yes. What is the wrong? It is pleasure.” They take it as pleasure.
Brahmänanda: The priests. They’re in the theological seminary, and they are priests, and they are saying that “It is pleasurable, so why not do it?”
Prabhupäda: And what is the pleasure? Stool-passing and urine-passing points are joined together, and it is pleasure. Just see their standard of pleasure. Just like the pigs. With pleasure, they eat stool. So they think it is pleasure. Standard of pleasure has gone down so low. This is Kali-yuga. [break] ...advanced. He has disciple, guru, but he knows that he is suffering whole life for this institution. Still he’ll not give it up.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 1st September 1975. Morning Walk, Vrindavan.)

Tamäla Kåñëa: The translation is, “For the soul there is never birth nor death nor having once been does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.”
Prabhupäda: So there is no question of death for a spiritually realized person.
Interviewer: Is there any method for dissent within your movement? Or change?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Reform, you mean? Changing the teaching perhaps, to fit the times?
Rämeçvara: Just like in the church, as the public mood is changed, they have compromised on certain issues like abortion, homosexuality, priests getting married. So she wants to know if in our movement there will be this arrangement also. (laughter)
Interviewer: Well, I didn’t necessarily mean the specifics.
Bali-mardana: In other words the purity is maintained by... The system is perfect to begin with so it remains perfect by being unchanged. If the system is imperfect, you may always be questioning.
Prabhupäda: Yes. When the system is imperfect, then it has to be changed according to time and circumstance. But if the system is itself perfect, there is no question of... Just like the perfect system: the sun rises from the eastern side. So for millions and trillions of years the system is going on because the system is perfect. It doesn’t require change, neither you can change. You cannot ask the sun to rise from the western side. So if the soul is eternal, it does not die or it is slain after the body is finished. But that is eternal fact. Destined in the past present and future, everything.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 14th July 1976. Interview with Newsweek. New York.)

Amogha: In the university newspaper I was reading, all their discussion is about things like homosexuality is all right or not all right.
Prabhupäda: Äcchä? They are discussing?
Amogha: Yes. In the newspaper articles in the university. The homosexuals are campaigning for equal rights. And there is a big debate whether homosexuals are good or bad. All over the world there are homosexuals, and also they are arguing over Palestine and Israel. And sometimes (indistinct) In Melbourne there was fighting between people who support Israel and Palestine. All these arguments they have in the newspapers.
Paramahaàsa: Even in Los Angeles they have a group of homosexuals who used to get harassed by people all the time. So now they have become a military group, and they carry weapons. And if anybody harasses them, they shoot them. They’re called Militant Homosexuals.
Amogha: In one high school here they asked the question whether we accept homosexuality. And I said, “Of course not. This is only a perversion.” And they said, “This is nature’s way to stop overpopulation,” because there won’t be any children. So much foolish.
Prabhupäda: How degraded the human society is becoming. And the children, they are discussing.
Amogha: It seems that step by step, in the law courts and the judges, everyone is step by step accepting more and more degradation, and makind it legal, everything.
(Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 9th May 1975, Morning Walk, Perth Australia.)
 

Nitäi: "Because the body is made of senses, which also require a certain amount of satisfaction, there are regulative directions for satisfaction of such senses, but the senses are not meant for unrestricted enjoyment. For example, marriage..."
Prabhupäda: That is not enjoyment. Just like sex indulgence. If you indulge in more than necessary, then you will be impotent. Nature will stop. You know impotency? That will be there. Impotency. This homosex is also another sign of impotency. They do not feel sex impulse to woman. They feel sex impulse in man. That means he is impotent. It is impotency. So things are coming so rubbish now. This is the time for preaching our program, standard. Then?
Nitäi: "For example, marriage, or the combination of a man with a woman, is necessary for progeny, but it is not meant for sense enjoyment."
Prabhupäda: Now this progeny is bother. It is sense enjoyment, homosex. Progeny, they don't want. They're not interested. Only sense gratification. This is another sign of impotency. When after enjoying so many women, they become impotent, then they artificially create another sex impulse in homosex. This is the psychology. So people are degraded so much. Especially in the... Everywhere, not specially this or that. Everywhere. This is Kali-yuga. But thoughtful leaders, they are thinking, "What to do?" That's very good sign. And take advantage and give them program exactly to the direction of Bhagavad-gétä. Then the world will be saved. Otherwise it is doomed. It is a fact. This is the opportunity for preaching. You can take that paper and heading. There are so many headings. Each heading reply. We are the only persons who can give solution. There is no other group or any man in the world. We are only. So let them take advantage of our knowledge and apply in the society to the ben... That's all right. Now all the sannyäsis have got the good opportunity to preach. So where is the key? Keep it. (end) (Arrival Address Chicago, IL 3rd July 1975.)
 

From Nara Narayan Dasa Vishwakarma dasa ACBSP:
This was December 1968.
The devotees and Srila Prabhupada were in New York City on 62 2nd Ave.
I had already known Madhavi Lata from San Francisco and Seattle. She chanted very beautifully and she was a very loved person. She was also rather dark and eccentric and kept to herself.
She was from New York, and I wasn't particularly aware of her being there, because I had just come from Los Angeles to build the Temple in 62 2nd Ave and make a Vyasasana, and I took my Gayatri initiation from Srila Prabhupada.

We were all in the Temple Room which was crowded with 60-80 devotees, and Srila Prabhupada was sitting on the Vyasasana, which was in a notch in the wall on the North side of the room.
As we were concentrating on the discourse given by Srila Prabhupada in conversation with other devotees, the doors opened all of a sudden, and Madhavi Lata came in, not dressed in a sari, and with an unusually animated expression on her face, pulling by the hand a girl that could only be described as a "doxy" - dramatically blond hair, bright red lipstick, bright red high heeled shoes, and the sort of short dress that one would associate with showgirls.
When this occurred, everything sort of stopped in the room, and everyone was rather surprised, because no one had really considered that Madhavi Lata was a lesbian. We just saw her as a nice devotee.
Srila Prabhupada looks at Madhavi Lata with an inquiring, and perhaps slightly surprised look on His Face. Madhavi Lata then said, "Oh Srila Prabhupada, I would like to introduce you to my girlfriend, --(name)----". Then she asked, "May I have your blessing to have her as my girlfriend?"
Srila Prabhupada looked at her very formally and said, "This is illicit sex. We cannot allow in our Movement. Please leave and when you are finished with this, come back by yourself."
Madhavi Lata was quite shocked. I think she really thought she could sell Srila Prabhupada on her lesbian relationship.
So they left immediately, and then, Madhavi Lata came back alone after a period of time, maybe a couple of weeks, but she was quite disgruntled.

WHAT DO I THINK OF LBGT? (Nara Narayan Dasa Vishwakarma dasa ACBSP)

I was raised in a pragmatic scientific learning mood as I reached adulthood. For me, raised on a farm, outside of the confines of religion and its inevitable mediocrity, I saw humanity simply as mammals, and as such breeding and reproducing by normal mammalian sexual activity, with the likely result of bearing offspring not dissimilarly in process and result than the other mammals of all the various species around.

Same sex, transgender etc. simply indicate that the genetic code, (breeding factor when applied to purebred horses and dogs) will simply be extinguished by not producing genetic development and diversification of their DNA.

By fighting for the right to be "same sex" or "transgender", their existential choice as human mammals is to eradicate their DNA lineage.

Once they are dead, the genetic line stops there with no hope of ever being revived in the Eternal Course of Time.

Like dinosaurs, they are creating their own extinction, which (to me) indicates that they place no value whatsoever on their having been born as Human Mammals, and that extinction for them is preferable to continuing their genetic line.

In rat studies, there is a term, "Too many rats in the box". When you have too many rats in the box, they turn to 'rodosexuality".

Our human society has produced the symptom of "too many rats in the box".

A heto man with four children and a wife trying to live on $50,000.00 per year, is inundated by the symptoms of poverty.

Four gay men each earning $50,000 per year in a San Francisco Victorian Mansion, have a joint spending income of $200,000.00, and I have seen how opulently such four men live with vases of flowers, antique furniture, Jaguar cars, etc, etc, etc.

In our overly centralized and impersonalized Corporate World, Heterosexuality is simply no longer economically as feasible as gay groups living together.

My answer is to return to Varnashram Dharma with ten thousand acres, three thousand people, lots of cows, and oxen.

Vaishyas tending the cows with the help of the huge number of Sudras, 3% Brahmins, 8% Ksyatriyas to defend the borders of the land from maurauders, and 80% Sudras.

The key to success?

All four Varnas will be INITIATED DISCIPLES OF SRILA PRABHUPADA, so the Brahmins can offer obeisances to a spiritually observant Sudra!

The sudras will all have nice cottages, the women will have nice sarees and bangles, they will not need to pay a mortgage, as their home will be theirs as long as they wish.

No money required, as the Brahmins will cook in huge temple Kitchens such as those in Puri, and goods will be distributed according to need, not some sort of corporate profit.

In other words,

RAM RAJYA!

"From each according to his ability, and too each according to his need"

In such a mellow, supportive atmosphere homosexuality will have no basis to exist. Good sex with a woman without fear of poverty when children arrive, will certainly be more attractive than meaningless loss of semen between frustrated corporate haunted men.

And those who still want to be homosexual?

They can chant Hare Krishna, but not be able to take initiation unless they wish to live a life of true Brahmacharia. they will need to make their way in the world without the cohesive strict adherence to the four regulative principles, that Daivi Varnashram requires.

That is Srila Prabhupada's standard, and as I was initiated in 1968, I had ample opportunity to see for myself what SP wanted from His disciples.

I ask the gay community not to fictionalize what Krishna will allow in this Sampradaya and what He will not.

No one can stop gay people from chanting Hare Krishna, but they cannot do so as initiates in the Sacred Kshetra of the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya!